Sponsors
Who: You!
What: SBE Chapter 37 Annual Picnic & Board Nominations
When: September 26, 2026 at 12:00 PM
Where: WFED-AM Transmitter Site - Register Here
Address: 2015 University Blvd West
Wheaton, MD 20902 United States
Sponsors: MaxxKonnect , Sublight Engineering PLLC , and Vertical Technology Services
What: SBE Chapter 37 Annual Picnic & Board Nominations
When: September 26, 2026 at 12:00 PM
Where: WFED-AM Transmitter Site - Register Here
Address: 2015 University Blvd West
Wheaton, MD 20902 United States
Sponsors: MaxxKonnect , Sublight Engineering PLLC , and Vertical Technology Services
The SBE Chapter 37 annual picnic at the WFED (formerly WTOP) historical art deco transmitter site in picturesque Wheaton, MD will be held on Saturday September 26th, starting at 12 noon.
The picnic is an opportunity to meet with broadcast engineering friends along with their families, spouses, and significant others. As usual, we'll tell a few "war stories" and dine on traditional grilled picnic fare. Expect burgers, hot dogs, soda, chips, etc to be provided, and feel free to bring something to share with your fellow engineers if you wish.
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AntennaFest 2026
with Gary Cavell, Brian Kaplon, Jeff Welton, Nick Paulin, David Gates, Cory Edwards, Dan Glavin, Steve Wilde, and Alex Perchevitch
with Gary Cavell, Brian Kaplon, Jeff Welton, Nick Paulin, David Gates, Cory Edwards, Dan Glavin, Steve Wilde, and Alex Perchevitch
Featuring
Sponsors
Who: Gary Cavell, Brian Kaplon, Jeff Welton, Nick Paulin, David Gates, Cory Edwards, Dan Glavin, Steve Wilde, and Alex Perchevitch
What: AntennaFest 2026
When: October 6, 2026 at 9:00 AM
Where: WETA TV & FM - Register Here
Address: 3939 Campbell Avenue
Arlington, VA 22206 United States
Sponsors: American Amplifier Technologies , American Tower Corporation , Cesium Communications , Dielectric , Electronics Research Inc , GatesAir , Jampro Antenna , Nautel , SCMS , and South-Tek Systems
What: AntennaFest 2026
When: October 6, 2026 at 9:00 AM
Where: WETA TV & FM - Register Here
Address: 3939 Campbell Avenue
Arlington, VA 22206 United States
Sponsors: American Amplifier Technologies , American Tower Corporation , Cesium Communications , Dielectric , Electronics Research Inc , GatesAir , Jampro Antenna , Nautel , SCMS , and South-Tek Systems
AntennaFest is Back!
Join SBE Chapter 37, Washington DC for AntennaFest 2026, a full day event celebrating antenna systems, combining, and all things RF.
AntennaFest 2025 covered many aspects of shared transmission site technology. Building on the feedback from attendees and presenters last year, we heard there was much more to learn and people eager to continue doing so.
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MEDIA FORWARD
with Dave Van Dyke, Kirk Harnack, Nick Langan, Surprise speaker, Mike Starling & Amanda Tilghman, Josh Lynch, Steve Floyd, Dave Kolesar, and Karl Kuhn
with Dave Van Dyke, Kirk Harnack, Nick Langan, Surprise speaker, Mike Starling & Amanda Tilghman, Josh Lynch, Steve Floyd, Dave Kolesar, and Karl Kuhn
Featuring
Sponsors
Who: Dave Van Dyke, Kirk Harnack, Nick Langan, Surprise speaker, Mike Starling & Amanda Tilghman, Josh Lynch, Steve Floyd, Dave Kolesar, and Karl Kuhn
What: MEDIA FORWARD
When: November 10, 2026 at 9:00 AM
Where: Kent County High School - Register Here
Address: 25301 Lamb’s Meadow Road
Worton, MD 21678 United States
Sponsors: Televisa Univision , Sherwood insights , Sinclair Media , Chesa , and Radio Chesapeake
What: MEDIA FORWARD
When: November 10, 2026 at 9:00 AM
Where: Kent County High School - Register Here
Address: 25301 Lamb’s Meadow Road
Worton, MD 21678 United States
Sponsors: Televisa Univision , Sherwood insights , Sinclair Media , Chesa , and Radio Chesapeake
DC / Baltimore chapters student-oriented media business outreach event!
Analysis of successful regional production and broadcast organizations: From either a financial or community connection valuation. Media entertainment/news creation is still a growing and changing field even amid industry shifts. We’ll hear local leaders’ success stories and their wise management and leadership strategies.
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Who: SBE Chapter 37 and SMPTE DC
From: SBE Chapter 37
What: Annual SBE37 & SMPTE DC Holiday Party
When: December 10, 2026 at 6:30 PM
Where: Busboys & Poets (Shirlington) - Register Here
Address: 4251 Campbell Ave
Arlington, VA 22206 United States
From: SBE Chapter 37
What: Annual SBE37 & SMPTE DC Holiday Party
When: December 10, 2026 at 6:30 PM
Where: Busboys & Poets (Shirlington) - Register Here
Address: 4251 Campbell Ave
Arlington, VA 22206 United States
Please Join Us for Our Annual SMPTE & SBE Holiday Party!
The SMPTE Washington DC Section and SBE Chapter 37 invite you to our annual holiday celebration on Thursday December 10, 2026. This is a wonderful opportunity to network, socialize, and share in the joy of the season with friends, peers, and media professionals. All members, colleagues, family and guests are welcome!
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Featuring
Sponsor
Who: Nick Haring
From: Lectrosonics, Inc.
What: Wireless Microphone & IFB 101
When: January 12, 2027 at 6:30 PM
Sponsor: Lectrosonics, Inc.
From: Lectrosonics, Inc.
What: Wireless Microphone & IFB 101
When: January 12, 2027 at 6:30 PM
Sponsor: Lectrosonics, Inc.
Join Nick Haring and Lectrosonics for Wireless Microphones and IFB 101, a comprehensive guide to understanding, planning, and deploying wireless audio systems. From the early history of wireless microphones to modern digital and encrypted ecosystems, this session covers the core topics necessary to achieve reliable, high-performance wireless audio in live, broadcast, and production environments.
Key Topics:
- RF Evolution & Fundamentals: Why wireless is used and how key technological breakthroughs shaped modern digital audio.
- Band Planning & Frequency Coordination: How to navigate crowded RF environments and eliminate interference.
- System Deployment: Best practices for setting up wireless mics and IEM/IFBs for maximum range and stability.
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Prior Events
Aug
11
2026
Anyone who manages a tower of any sort will from time to time have questions about it: Can the tower support an additional load from a new client? Can... (More)
Jul
14
2026
CertConnect: 50 Years of SBE Certification
With Megan Clappe, SBE Certification Director of The Society of Broadcast Engineers
With Megan Clappe, SBE Certification Director of The Society of Broadcast Engineers
The SBE Program of Certification was created in November 1975, so 2025 marked the 50th anniversary of the Program. To mark the event, the SBE is encou... (More)
Jun
16
2026
In conjunction with the Association of Federal Communications Consulting Engineers (AFCCE), Matt Butcher of Sublight Engineering will present the FCC ... (More)
May
12
2026
From Systems to Environments: Why Standards Matter Now More Than Ever
With Jay Tyler of Inrush Broadcast Services
With Jay Tyler of Inrush Broadcast Services
Jay Tyler of Inrush Broadcast Services will discuss the industry’s shift from isolated broadcast systems to interconnected, standards-based environm... (More)
Apr
7
2026
The SBE is an advocate for its members on regulatory and legislative issues at the FCC, NTIA, Capitol Hill, and beyond that affect broadcast engineers... (More)
Mar
10
2026
Bill Bennett from ENCO Systems will discuss AI use in broadcasting. Bill Bennett is a Product Design and Solutions Manager at ENCO Systems, Inc., a co... (More)
Feb
10
2026
Brian Szewczyk of GatesAir will give an overview of recommended air & liquid cooled transmitter site maintenance tasks. Brian Szewczyk has been th... (More)
Jan
13
2026
Many of us might not quite remember the early days of Comrex. Some of us, present company included, were not even born yet in 1961. The first products... (More)
Dec
11
2025
Annual SBE37 & SMPTE DC Holiday Party
With Many Sponsors. See Text!
With Many Sponsors. See Text!
The SMPTE Washington DC Section and SBE Chapter 37 invite you to join us for our annual holiday party for 2025. This is a wonderful opportunity to net... (More)
Nov
18
2025
Media Forward: Baltimore
With Joanne Carl, Geary Morrill, and Karl Kuhn
With Joanne Carl, Geary Morrill, and Karl Kuhn
SMPTE’s Media Forward comes to Baltimore - WBAL! Kickstart Your Media Technology Career! Discover the latest technologies! Join us for a special Med... (More)
Oct
7
2025
AntennaFest 2025: Shared Signals
With Nick Paulin, Cory Edwards, Ben Brinitzer, Steve Wilde, and Gary Cavell
With Nick Paulin, Cory Edwards, Ben Brinitzer, Steve Wilde, and Gary Cavell
Join SBE Chapter 37 for a half day event about shared antennas and combining systems. AntennaFest 2025: Shared Signals is scheduled for Tuesday, Octob... (More)
Sep
20
2025
The SBE Chapter 37 annual picnic at the WFED (formerly WTOP) historical art deco transmitter site in picturesque Wheaton, MD will be held on Saturday ... (More)
Aug
12
2025
Vinay Purohit, Founder & CTO of CloudJuncxion, will discuss the company's Seeker product, an advanced SD-WAN solution built on CloudJuncxion's Ban... (More)
Jul
8
2025
Over the past several years, Mike Pappas, Senior Vice President of Global Sales, Orban Labs has reviewed numerous AM and FM air chains, in large and s... (More)
Jun
19
2025
The Mid-Atlantic Antique Radio Club (MAARC) presents: RadioActivity 2025 ScheduleAt The Byzantium, Annapolis MD Thursday June 195:00 to 7:00 pm ... (More)
Jun
10
2025
As you may have seen on Kirk Harnack's TWiRT podcast recently, iHeart and other station groups are replacing their RF STLs and legacy WAN technologies... (More)
May
21
2025
Bits by the Bay 2025
With Numerous!
With Numerous!
After a long hiatus, Bits By The Bay, the Washington area’s own technical conference for media professionals, is returning in full form! SMPTE-DC’... (More)
May
13
2025
SBE Chapter 37's May meeting will feature Kumar Ramaswamy, President of igolgi Inc, giving a presentation on industry trends and how igolgi addresses ... (More)
Apr
1
2025
The SBE is an advocate for its members on regulatory and legislative issues at the FCC, NTIA, Capitol Hill, and beyond that affect broadcast engineers... (More)
Mar
11
2025
Video in the NASA Space Program: Three Fascinating Vignettes
With James O’Neal and Walt Lindblom of National Capital Radio & Television Museum
With James O’Neal and Walt Lindblom of National Capital Radio & Television Museum
SBE Chapter 37, SMPTE DC, and the Goddard Amateur Radio Club bring you three fascinating vignettes about video in the NASA space program: Apollo Missi... (More)
Feb
27
2025
MEDIA FORWARD is a career focused event that presents an opportunity for industry partners to connect with a targeted group of students who are alread... (More)
Jan
14
2025
These days, the trend is toward virtualization, containerization and cloud based everything. What does that mean – and more importantly, what are th... (More)
Dec
5
2024
The SMPTE Washington DC Section and SBE Chapter 37 invite you to join us for our annual holiday party for 2024. We'll have an open bar 6:30-8:00 PM an... (More)
Nov
19
2024
DVG Integral – DC
With Ted Hand, CPBE, 8-VSB, AMD, ATSC3, DRB and Mike Palmer of Society of Broadcast Engineers
With Ted Hand, CPBE, 8-VSB, AMD, ATSC3, DRB and Mike Palmer of Society of Broadcast Engineers
Join SBE Chapter 37 and SMPTE DC at DVG Integral DC on November 19 from 8:30 am to 4:30 pm. DVG will be hosting the Integral DC Symposium Tu... (More)
Oct
17
2024
The presentation will provide an overview and update on the Burk Technology remote control architecture featuring distributed intelligence, centralize... (More)
Sep
21
2024
The SBE Chapter 37 annual picnic at the WFED (formerly WTOP) historical art deco transmitter site in picturesque Wheaton, MD will be held on Saturday ... (More)
Jul
9
2024
Join special guest Jordan Moran, vice president of Cullum-USA, for a presentation on the fundamentals of sound isolation. Everything from doors, windo... (More)
Jun
11
2024
Interference Complaints and Working with the FAA
With Gary Cavell and James Scott of Capitol Airspace Group
With Gary Cavell and James Scott of Capitol Airspace Group
It happens to nearly every broadcast engineer eventually - someone routes a phone call or forwards you an email from someone complaining that your sig... (More)
May
22
2024
Mini Bits By The Bay 2024
With Too Many to Name!
With Too Many to Name!
After a long hiatus, Bits By the Bay, the Washington area’s own technical conference for media professionals, is returning on Wednesday, May 22, 202... (More)
Apr
9
2024
The SBE is an advocate for its members on regulatory and legislative issues at the FCC, NTIA, Capitol Hill, and beyond that affect broadcast engineers... (More)
Mar
19
2024
MEDIA FORWARD: WKHS – 50 Years of Broadcast Instruction
With Jim Ragsdale, Chris Singleton, and Dave Van Dyke
With Jim Ragsdale, Chris Singleton, and Dave Van Dyke
This SBE 37 / DC SMPTE meeting is in cooperation with SBE 46 - Baltimore. Important notes - this meeting is a DAYTIME event, Tuesday 11 am – 2 pm to... (More)
Feb
15
2024
Fractional Frame Rates: How Do We End Them?
With Merrill Weiss, Eric Wenocur, and James Snyder
With Merrill Weiss, Eric Wenocur, and James Snyder
In the U.S. we have been living with the 29.97fps video frame rate since the advent of color in 1953. This legacy of NTSC analog television is so deep... (More)
Jan
9
2024
Why Phil Rice and Anita Longley Still Rule the Airwaves – Modern NCE-FM Licensing Comparative Criteria
With Mike Starling of WHCP Radio
With Mike Starling of WHCP Radio
Mike Starling, President and General Manager for WHCP Radio, will give a presentation on how he led a revived nonprofit to win a frequency allocation ... (More)
Dec
12
2023
The SMPTE Washington DC Section and SBE Chapter 37 invite you to join us for our annual holiday party for 2023. We'll have an open bar 6:30-8:00 PM an... (More)
Nov
15
2023
Keep an eye on your inbox for an email from Election Buddy - it will contain your invitation to participate in the SBE Chapter 37 election. Ballots wi... (More)
Sep
30
2023
SBE Chapter 37 Picnic, Board Nominations, & Next Best Thing Tour
With Various Presenters
With Various Presenters
The SBE Chapter 37 annual picnic at the WFED (formerly WTOP) historical art deco transmitter site in picturesque Wheaton, MD will be held on Saturday ... (More)
Aug
8
2023
HAARP: A Brief History and Engineering Review
With Steve Floyd of Ultra Electronics
With Steve Floyd of Ultra Electronics
Chapter 37 SBE and the Goddard Amateur Radio Club bring you a lecture on the latest developments and research findings from The High Frequency Active ... (More)
Jul
11
2023
Today’s broadcast operational landscape is continuously adding digital channel playout along with increased hourly news production programming; all ... (More)
Jun
27
2023
Transmitter Efficiency
With Glen Hurst, Eddy Vanderkerken, and Arthur “Bo” Hoover
With Glen Hurst, Eddy Vanderkerken, and Arthur “Bo” Hoover
This program highlights how to build and maintain a "green" broadcast transmission facility. With simultaneous rising energy and reducing operating bu... (More)
May
25
2023
SMPTE DC – NAB Review with Mark Schubin
With Mark Schubin
With Mark Schubin
On May 25 at 7 pm Washington, DC section is pleased to be joined by Mark Schubin for his annual NAB Recap! Emmy-award-winning SMPTE Fellow Mark Schubi... (More)
May
18
2023
WAMU Combined Antenna
With Tom Silliman, Rob Bertrand, and Andy Gunn
With Tom Silliman, Rob Bertrand, and Andy Gunn
In 2020, WAMU completed a years-long effort to build a new master FM system to improve its signal in partnership with WTOP at its tower on the campus ... (More)
Apr
11
2023
SBE Law Update
With Coe Ramsey, Noah Hock, and Patrick Cross
With Coe Ramsey, Noah Hock, and Patrick Cross
The SBE is an advocate for its members on regulatory and legislative issues at the FCC, NTIA, Capitol Hill, and beyond that affect broadcast engineers... (More)
Mar
7
2023
Getting the Most Out of your Waveform Monitor
With Steve Holmes, Joseph Castellano, and Scott Cannon
With Steve Holmes, Joseph Castellano, and Scott Cannon
Join SBE37 and SMPTE DC for a presentation from Scott Cannon, Joesph Castellano, and Steve Holmes of Leader / Phabrix for tips and tricks to maximizin... (More)
Feb
15
2023
PILOT Radio Test Bed
With David Layer, Russ Mundschenk, and Mike Rhodes
With David Layer, Russ Mundschenk, and Mike Rhodes
Our February 15th, 2023 guest speakers will be David Layer, Vice President, Advanced Engineering in the National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) Tec... (More)
Dec
14
2022
The SMPTE Washington DC Section and SBE Chapter 37 invite you to join us for our annual holiday party. We'll have an open bar 6:30-8:00 PM and heavy h... (More)
Nov
9
2022
NBS/NIST Radio Station WWV – The Story of an Old Timer
With John Lowe of National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
With John Lowe of National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
John Lowe, who served as Broadcast Manager for the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) radio stations WWV, WWVH and WWVB in Colorado... (More)
Oct
18
2022
During this hour-long discussion, Jacob Daniluck of Tieline discussed live streaming compression and uncompressed streams of audio and video that need... (More)
Sep
24
2022
Getting back to tradition, SBE Chapter 37 held our annual picnic at the WFED (formerly WTOP) historical art deco transmitter site in picturesque Wheat... (More)
Aug
9
2022
Tower, Line, Signal & Data Grounding & Protection
With Sam Chreiteh of Critical Systems Consulting Group
With Sam Chreiteh of Critical Systems Consulting Group
With electrical storms commonplace this time of year, our August 9th meeting topic couldn't have been more timely. Sam Chreitech, principal and ... (More)
Jul
28
2022
ATSC 3.0 is a subject much in the news today. Our July meeting highlighted an important anticipated milestone in the format’s implementation w... (More)
Jun
14
2022
Alternative Broadcast Inspection Program
With Tom Ray of Tom Ray Broadcast Consulting, LLC
With Tom Ray of Tom Ray Broadcast Consulting, LLC
Our June meeting focused on the Alternative Broadcast Inspection Program - what is it, why it's a good idea, what stations typically miss, and what we... (More)
May
10
2022
SBE Regulatory Issues and You!
With Stephen Hartzell and Coe Ramsey of Brooks, Pierce, McLendon, Humphrey & Leonard, LLP
With Stephen Hartzell and Coe Ramsey of Brooks, Pierce, McLendon, Humphrey & Leonard, LLP
The SBE is an advocate for its members on regulatory and legislative issues at the FCC, NTIA, Capitol Hill, and beyond that affect broadcast engineers... (More)
Apr
12
2022
The regulations and state-of-the-art for tower lighting are regularly changing as evidenced by the FAA's recent circular. Our April meeting, fea... (More)
Feb
8
2022
Mike Pappas of Orban Labs, Inc. will discuss some best practices for audio processing for online and over-the-air broadcasting, with specific focus on... (More)
Jul
21
2021
The pandemic brought on a wave of new ways broadcasters needed to work remotely. Rob Lewis, Calrec Audio Ltd.'s US Technical Sales Manager, walked us ... (More)
Jun
1
2021
Since FM stereo broadcasting has existed for virtually all of our adult lives, some may take it for granted. However, that would never happen to... (More)
May
12
2021
Chris Imlay, an SBE Fellow and SBE's General Counsel, was our guest speaker on Wednesday, May 12th. Chris' annual presentation has become a trad... (More)
Apr
13
2021
C-Band Satellite – The Repack!
With Mark Johnson and Doug Watson of LinkUp Communications Corporation
With Mark Johnson and Doug Watson of LinkUp Communications Corporation
The FCC’s C-Band satellite spectrum transition is now upon us. This "repack" will radically reshape frequencies used for satellite signal delivery.&... (More)
Mar
9
2021
Our Tuesday, March 9, 2021 meeting will feature guest speaker Nathan Mumford of RCS. As discussed below, Nate will discuss Remote Hybrid Workflows and... (More)
Feb
9
2021
Our February 9th guest speaker was Michael Guthrie, a premiere Harmonic ATSC Technology Specialist who has been with the company for over 20 years. He... (More)
Jan
5
2021
With the Presidential Inauguration once again upon us, our January 5th, 2021 guest speaker was Louis Libin of Broad Comm, Inc. Louis has managed Presi... (More)
Nov
24
2020
Our November 24th meeting was a very timely presentation from our own Dave Sproul. His topic was: The Beginning, In Between, and End Phases of WMAL'... (More)
Oct
13
2020
Our October 2020 guest speaker was Bob Tarsio, President of Broadcast Devices Inc., a manufacturer of audio and radio frequency monitoring products fo... (More)
Aug
11
2020
Our August 11 guest speaker was with Dr. Bob Heil, who joined us for a friendly visit. This meeting was a rare opportunity to meet and learn fro... (More)
Jul
30
2020
Thanks to our friends at SMPTE DC Section for inviting us to a virtual presentation o "A History of TV" with Mark Schubin on July 30th, 2020, 7:00 PM ... (More)
Jul
14
2020
Our July 2020 speaker was Skip Pizzi of the National Association of Broadcasters (NAB). Skip gave a wrap-up of the NAB Show Express, the virtual... (More)
Jun
9
2020
Point-to-Point Microwave Systems for Broadcasting
With Brian Wright and Sale Lilly of Cielo Networks
With Brian Wright and Sale Lilly of Cielo Networks
Our June meeting featured guest speakers Brian Wright and Sale Lilly from Cielo Networks, manufacturer of mission-critical, IP microwave equipment. Th... (More)
May
13
2020
Chris Imlay, SBE's General Counsel, was our guest speaker on Wednesday, May 13th. We were able to participate in this virtual meeting by Zoom te... (More)
Mar
10
2020
Given some of the recent hoverboard and Samsung battery “events”, there is a lot of discussion about whether lithium-ion batteries are a safe solu... (More)
Feb
18
2020
Guest Speaker Brian Szewczyk of GatesAir presented two technical topics at our February meeting: A Total Cost of Ownership Comparison of Air-Cooled an... (More)
Jan
16
2020
Next Gen TV Summit
With Many Speakers. See Text!
With Many Speakers. See Text!
Based on trade press coverage (see below) and unsolicited comments, the Next Gen TV Summit was a great success enjoyed by all. Thanks to many at... (More)
Dec
4
2019
SMPTE/AES/SBE Holiday Party
With You!
With You!
Many members and friends of the SMPTE Washington DC Section - AES DC Section - SBE Chapter 37 all enjoyed an evening of great Food, Drink, and Convers... (More)
Oct
8
2019
Our October 2019 event was an all-day RF Safety Seminar featuring Richard (Ric) Tell, President of Richard Tell Associates, Inc., a consulting firm sp... (More)
Sep
14
2019
SBE Chapter 37 Picnic
With You
With You
The SBE Chapter 37 picnic was an opportunity for us all to meet with broadcast engineering friends, spouses and families. We got together, told "war s... (More)
Aug
13
2019
A bite to eat, kindly provided by our friends at T-Mobile, was served at 6:00 pm. We had a bit of SBE/AES/SMPTE business about 6:30 pm, including prom... (More)
Jul
9
2019
Our July guest speaker, Eddy Vanderkerken from RFS - Radio Frequency Systems - discussed antenna technology being implemented in the digital TV repack... (More)
Jun
11
2019
Live from the Glass-Enclosed Nerve Center
With Many Speakers. See Text! of WTOP Engineering and Contractors
With Many Speakers. See Text! of WTOP Engineering and Contractors
How does major market radio stay relevant and stay in the lead in an era of digital and social media, and video file sharing? This question was answ... (More)
May
8
2019
Chris Imlay, SBE's General Counsel, was our guest speaker once again on Wednesday, May 8th. Along with input from various SBE committees and the SBE... (More)
Mar
12
2019
Our March meeting was on a subject that all of us deal with at one time or another: The selection, placement, mounting, and mixing with microphones. W... (More)
Feb
12
2019
Our February meeting featured guest speaker Niall McDonnell from Harmonic. Niall spoke about the trends shifting from hardware toward both cloud... (More)